I automatically defended the leaders and staff, and also automatically discredited the victims with pre determined notions the victim was not telling the whole story. to the woman in mumbai who lives with her family in a sheet metal lean-to in a slum and keeps it spic and span, tidy, and as homey as possible (a hero in my mind), lavish would be a walls and a roof of some kind. I was blessed to attend Kanakuk for years and years. Thats what they all seem to do. His Grace is given to everyone, lets say even if He wasnt saved (lets say if he was one) have you prayed for him? Its all a show for people to be conned into thinking your being godly. Secondly he says that even Jesus himself said things that might be considered cultish: If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:26. As for the doctrinal statement issue, I see what you are saying. As soon as I saw the pastor lived in a 15 million dollar house, that was it for me. Both Wagner and Leventhal will remain at Watermark as elders emeritus. Ive never heard of nor attended a church with such a position. He publicly criticized other local church leaders and called them out in the media and then doesnt really share his issues. Wagner is all about control and he lost it. It is all about leveraging God not for the good of the people but for bragging rights about how successful they are. John Doe's attorney says his client is now considering a civil lawsuit against the church for slander. TWW last left Wagner on leave due to pride in Todd Wagner, the Controversial Pastor of Watermark Church, Steps Away *for a Season. Love you Todd Its all sunshine and roses till you see it firsthand. He did end the video by defining what HE thought the three marks of a cult were: Im going to address #3, because I did my own Google search of the Dallas County Central Appraisal District and discovered that Todd Wagner lives in a $1.5 million dollar home in a very prestigious area of Dallas. trying to figure out what happened in an effort to understand if the leadership is healthy or unhealthy. a smarmy, unctuous reply. Religious double talk. So you either choose to remain by completing the 4b questionnaire or you are no longer a member, [] a greatexample of unsafe community groups which verge on cults. While God does allow humans to have free will, His greatest gift to every human is salvation and eternal life, through believing that He sent His son as a sacrifice for our sins. Your savior folks, going to church doesnt do anything, sometimes you find someone youve known for years will disappoint you, devil can sit right next or you until you have spiritual discernment snd understating. How many have you all lead to Christ? I asked Susan if she wouldnt mind answering a few questions for this post, which she was happy to do. But not everyone wants that, and for those people there are lots of other churches that offer community groups, small groups, life groups, etc. I just loved his style of preaching. Watermark's Church Contract May 28, 2006 — -- A female member of the Watermark Community Church, . 1 Pet 2:25 Unsure why he is getting criticized for living in a house that is experiencing uber appreciation b/c of the school district it resides in. Great! And this is important. Watermark Family, Throughout the fall, we have shared that, as an Elder team, we have focused on three main priorities: Strengthening our leadership team Reengaging our members in the life and ministry of the church Equipping our body for a changing world What bothered me about Todd is that he chooses to live in Highland Park even though the church is not physically in Highland Park (not even close). Every argument you put forth seems to be based on your subjective opinion based on your speculation, assumption, and judgement.. Watermark encourages people to confess their sins to one another and to admonish faithfully but thats because thats what the Bible tells us to do as believers.. A calendar of future events, classes, Bible studies, and programs happening with Watermark Community Church. It appears to attract a fairly high income crowd if their building program is any indication of the amount of money coming into the church. Their countenances in the video departure statements appear to be quite different. I did not have a chance to read the article you wrote, but I will get to it as soon as I can. This case was filed in Dallas County Texas Courts, Dallas County Texas Courts At Law located in Dallas, Texas. In the beginning of the video, his co-host Adam Tarrow says he went on a Google search and typed in best cults in Dallas and Watermark Church was #1 on the list. Watermark has a leadership problemRead more , Watermark is very transparent about finances. This would be Cabo and in the middle of the worst weather tragedies that Dallas has seen in decades. I promise Im not trolling yall. Not now. Thats for God to reveal or conceal.. He began to consider that he was in a cult. to verify your name calling., Which of the victims of Grace Community Church will be paid $800,000 by Los Angeles County and the state of California after reaching a legal settlement to a lawsuit over COVID-19 restrictions in churches. If I thought I couldnt work with someone I wouldnt be turning around and working with them. Hi. Watermark was founded in November 7, 1999 with an outward-focused ministry that sought to minister to "the unchurched, dechurched, dead-churched and unmoved." [1] Watermark averages about 9,000 weekly attendants. Have you heard of Life Water? They gave you a false fraudulent form of love, because it was ConditionalRead more , I dont want to make light of this, but I do want to say that this is beyond misleading. When I received the email from *Susan (pseudonym), a former Watermark Church member, she wrote, I am not the only former Watermarker out there who is nervous to speak up about this organization, because I refuse to call them a church.. Regardless Lords will be done Prov 16:9 The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps. I verified it. the equity in a $million+ home can be invested to provide hot meals, warm beds, jobs, training, and more for years. Once youve signed your life over to them, you must either form your own community group or go through the process of being placed in one. The lessons were unifying and not surfacy. He is waiting on us and saying Go but lost ones are here judging because of some issue no matter how big it is (Lord has it) Spiritual authority has nothing to do with title, education, or rhetorical ability (2 Cor 10-13). Related Pages. So you think women are getting a little uppity and having ideas above their station?. When you login first time using a Social Login button, we collect your account public profile information shared by Social Login provider, based on your privacy settings. Not in your writing, but in the people who felt that they were being personally attacked and never took the time to speak to a leader or to actually consider the teachings that are found in the Bible. 4774 sq ft house. If youd like a suggestion for a charity outside of our church well gladly help you. They dont even take a collection in church! There was one guy that didnt want to shareRead more . Where are you getting this information? And so have I. There are also a lot of factors that go into measuring ones wealth, not just the dollar value of ones house; and there are a lot of things that go into measuring ones character, other than how much money one has or the kind of house one lives in. I have no doubt there are many many more victims. Wow. Im with Scotty and Andy Wilson. Set up and configure your eSignature workflows the way you want them. The Christian Post's Leonardo Blair wrote an eyeopening post titled Dallas megachurch pastor who confessed to sin of pride resigns. You can tailor it to your groups needs Tim The information is on Watermark Churchs website: Voluntary Member Termination: Members who move from the local area, change churches, or no longer meet the requirements for active Membership may be removed from Watermark Membership.. When this article was written, And, there was zero pressure from church leadership to do so. I have never met so many people using the term spiritual abuse asRead more , Concern, Who are you to judge!? Ive been freed for nearly 10 yrs now with cigarettes, alcohol snd sex until wife had been given, Wagner said he is excited about what God is going to do at the church in its next season and urged the congregation to obey their leaders. Also I probably would be off my depression meds. . Ive said my bit, not interested in burning much more time, unless you or anyone wants to leave a number to meet to discuss Jesus, WM or Todd. Some of the most notable settlements are described below. If by community you mean confessing every single sin in your life to a group of virtual strangers, disclosing your personal financial information, and seeking the approval of the group to change jobs, buy a house, start a family then no,Read more , Christian community can have so many different levels, and not everyone is seeking the same depth in all relationships. If you arent a covenant member at Watermark Church, you cant join a community group, and that is where all the getting involved starts. that is perceived as insincere or excessive: Incorrect. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account. And in Ecclesiastes 12:14, For God will bring every deedRead more , I would be curious to know if you are ok with disclosing all of your financial information to your community group and seeking their approval on life decisions? I wonder what is considered a humble enough lifestyle to please all the rest of us looking in and offering our opinion about something we probably do not know enough about He was then the most arrogant and disrespectful person imaginable. Seems there are some Watermark menbers Maybe because I have not had a negative experience with elder rule I do not see it as a problem. The Christian Post's Leonardo Blair wrote an eyeopening post titled Dallas megachurch pastor who confessed to sin of pride resigns. I admit I also used to automatically discredit stories Like this one when I heard them. For I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole purpose of God., Wagner also warned the congregation with words from the passage, stating that after my departure savage wolves will come among you, and from your own selves men will (rise up), speaking perverse things. Then, modifying Pauls description of his three years spent in Ephesus to Wagners 22 years at Watermark, Wagner added, Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for a period of 22 years I did not cease to admonish each one with tears., The congregation at Watermark responded to Wagner with a standing ovation. The state of California and Los Angeles have agreed to pay $800,000 in legal fees to settle their lawsuit with John MacArthur's church over COVID-19 lockdown rules. I came to watermark on a visit with my sons family. Its how relationships are formed and accountability is established or thats what they want you to think. And why? If youre short on time, start at 27 minutes when the speakers starts explaining why people think Watermark is a cult. Even now, her parents (who worship there) refuse to talk to her or visit her children, simply because she was dutiful enough to report on the pedophile acts of a man who used to work at Prestonwood. Problem with a church goers these days is (they are simply judgmental- half the time without any knowledge or discernment. TWW last left Wagner on leave due to pride in Todd Wagner, the Controversial Pastor of Watermark Church, Steps Away *for a Season. I canRead more , I can tell you that I know Todd Wagner personally over 20 years ago. Then there is the whole LakeRead more . I assured those who wanted to speak out with their stories that I would not identify them or use any details in my post that could be used to identify them. I take at face value Susan has hurt and I feel compassion for her. The elder team is interdependent of each other, creating a system in which it is impossible or highly difficult to discipline or remove any one elder. The Dallas ISD board of trustees approved the sale in late August; records show Watermark paid $211,000 for nine acres of building and bare land off Second Avenue a steal, no matter the. Or you perfect? Plan Your Visit Discover Watermark Membership Events Watermark News Articles Watermark en Espaol. Watermark Community Church abuse. He added that he and Wagner are good and there is no anger, malice, or slander between them. If you dont want to share your story you dont have to. Being your authentic self in community with others is the goal, they say. Are you familiar with the website, No Eden Elseware? Watermark Churchs membership process first requires that you sign themembership covenant, which oddly enough, you can do online. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. Before coming to Watermark, I never knew the Bible could be applied to my life. I think I have a pdf copy of a ten year old one. What does being your authentic self really mean, in the context of community groups? Also resigned is David Leventhal, an elder and teaching pastor at Watermark, who said he had lost trust in Wagners leadership. I first visited Watermark in 2005 when they were still meeting at a high school in Dallas. As for two doctrinal statements, our church has something similar, one for members and one for leaders. In our church, this is clearly laid out during the membership process. Kind of smarmy too., You use some strong name calling, words Seems like theres a lot of hurting people with a lot to hide on this thread. What does all white and all males have to do absolutely anything with regard to this situation? Paul, thanks for the response. Fournet is now listed as an elder emeritus, but Bucheck no longer appears on Watermarks leadership page. Im still waiting for more transparency but doubt we will get if from Wagner as that pride runs deep. Additionally, unless you have seen all of the financial reports from the last 22 yrs, you have no idea how Wagner was compensated. No longer fulfill the requirements of membership. if servant leadership plus Jesus Christ means anything, it logically using financial means to serve others. You guys can rip apart our church and Todd all you want, but I know him, and you wont find a man with more of a heart of gold than him. Its a huge red flag to me about Todds character and understanding of God. If the things she claims were stated from the pulpit are true, there should be plenty of documentation. TODD WAGNER SURELY LED ALOT OF PEOPLE TO CHRIST. There is so much judgement on here it has to hurt the heart of God. How do you know Todd pays that? But, you provide NO evidence, NO situations I went through the Re:Engage program twice early in its development. That church is huge and has 2 campuses (at least) so I find it hard to believe you even know these elders yourself. Regardless I loved your passion and pray that Holy Spirit would cover you and lead you in the area that needs correction. Why wouldnt the devil try to tempt and discredit a Christian leader whos been respected by so many and positively influenced so many? Another $ maker? Im saying that outta love and also saying it truly saddens me to see many of you have hardened your hearts. Watermark Church is certainly not alone in taking a stance against homosexuality. Awaken Conference 2021. Also, he pointed out that all the people at the resort were drinking Mezcal (Then heRead more . Just because you havent personally experienced or have personal knowledge of these things happening does NOT mean they didnt happen to someone else. File photo of fans at a Dallas Stars . R.w. The Yelp algorithm is strange. My daughter occasionally attends their weekly singles service, The Porch, which she enjoys. I keep coming back to this because something just doesnt seem right. Sort of as God told him and his wife that it was time to move on to the next thing God has planned. Jackson Elliott contributed to this report. This is maybe a time for correction for Todd as it seems (2 Tim 3:16-17) havent you ever done anything wrong? The elders at Watermark, along with Wagner and Leventhal, announced the resignations at services yesterday. Theyre all using so much jargon that its hard to figure out what any of it actually means. He then applied the words Paul used to describe his apostolic ministry in Acts 20:26-32 to his own tenure at Watermark: With a clear conscience, Im going to say this to you, Wagner said. It also lists Fellowship Church and Village Church in its top 10 on cults (Village likely is, Fellowship is more of a personality cult centered around Ed), strangely Gateway Church isnt listed (and several people think it may be more of a personality cult than Watermark or Village). If the leaders deem you unworthy of their support due to pride or sin struggle reasons, they will absolutely unequivocally unabashedly and with zero conscience or compassion, write you off. Not sure how much of a money maker it is since all we spend money on is the workbooks. Those who love control and achievement thrive very well there = works. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Life Stage Care and Recovery Equipping Outreach Serve Community Groups. even if 100% true (zero exaggeration or embroidery), it almost makes it sound like Todd was an unwitting victim of disproportionate generosity and was utterly helpless. The church also produces a popular marriage curriculum called re|engage that is used in more than 370 churches nationwide. It is the Lord Jesus who is in control after all folks. At least that was my experienceRead more , The house referenced in the post belongs to the correct Todd Wagner. Wagner should have sold the home and elected to live a less extravagant neighborhood (Highland Park). Its all based on financial packages and NDAs now. They have brought a civil lawsuit against the Church of Scientology for stalking and intimidation that occurred after they reported their assaults to the police. I know him on a first name basis, as I do some of those elders on the stage. Pastors often receive the most judgement and its rarely considered that they likely face the most spiritual warfare. I dont think so. christian leaders who are not straightforward and forthright cannot be healthy. Its inappropriate and wrong for a pastor serving the church to live an opulent lifestyle. Its clear as mud. Please would you please explain a bit more about this take on Christs death. Wow! Once you see it, you cant unsee it. Im also a bit a sad with respond of David (elder) who is in the leadership role to show the love with staring at the congregation (may be because of challenges). You are experienced and know your Bible and subject. Could just be their abilities to appear a certain way up in front of a crowd. Another requirement for membership is that you find an area in which to serve in the church. For much of Wagners speech in the video, Leventhal did not look at Wagner, but stared straight ahead. He didnt even buy the house, it was gifted by a member years ago. Wagner founded Watermark in 1999 with the expressed purpose of ministering to "the unchurched, dechurched, dead-churched and unmoved." The church grew rapidly and now has campuses in Dallas, Frisco, and Plano. Who aint very happy. They did create it. Did You Know This Church Is Closely Aligned with 9 Marx (sic) I started to plan how to move near Plano so I could attend Watermark Plano. Im Jesus name. Many churches won't consider an openly gay man or woman for the clergy. Thanks for the reply. Poor Todd. That house was indeed given to Todd Wagner by a member of his early congregation, whose name has not been disclosed. It is mentioned in this article. It is very helpful and lets us plan financially well. Yet it turns out they are getting people toRead more , Hi to all, Ive been a member of Watermark for over three years, went through Re:Generation and now co-lead a community group. Not Todds decision but good try on the poor stewardship bit. Read More. I have edited some of her answers for content and length. In January, Wagner returned from leave to preach his first sermon and received a standing ovation from the congregation. He found my blog while researching the similarities between Scientology and Watermark Church. Also resigned is David Leventhal, an elder and teaching pastor at Watermark, who said he had lost trust in Wagner's leadership. The building was used for free to us (but not them). Also, please note, you are free to leave Watermark Church at any time. These resources are found in Appendix V and Appendix VI at the end of this case study and in the clarifications given by Watermark in the section Watermark's Response to the Nation. Todd had 6 children living at home at the time he was gifted the home. All Campuses . This gives freedom to members who may still be working through some of their beliefs while also holding the elders to a higher standard. I went to a church with a broadly evangelical membership statement coupled with a specifically Calvinistic, and specifically young earth creationist, teaching statement. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. Hope it works out I know God has you in his hands and it will. According to Watermark Church, I guess we werent doing it right. You CANNOT, however, attempt to withdraw membership to avoid church discipline. So Leventhal resigned several weeks before Wagner, but theyre announcing this together, on the same day? I was informed that this was a gift from a wealthy individual who has known Todd a long time and does not attend Watermark. In the online video, Leventhal described the process of discernment with Wagner as heart-breaking, exhausting, and expensive for Leventhal, his wife, the elder team, and the campus pastor team. Even through this challenges we can be so judgements these day. Let me guessthe PASTORS of this church DONT have to be real and disclose THEIR salaries, sins, struggles.right???? Spiritual authority is the result of Gods power shown through spiritual gifts and deep experiences with God. He hides behind the church to bully people whether in the church or outside. 2 doctrinal statements create confusion over authentic belonging. i watched the video dont know how i got as far as i did i had to turn it off. Therefore, I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all men. Todd uses God to accomplish his goals ofRead more , We briefly visited WM; I quickly told my husband, this place is the cult of Todd and will implode without him. Thats not Todds fault, but no thanks. For every story that IRead more . Several weeks after Leventhals resignation, Wagner separately decided to step down as senior pastor and elder, the churchs statement said.. He walked with an air of superiority that was disgusting. No its not. XPastor recommends readers take special note of the resources provided by Watermark about the issue of Care and Correction. Author: this is unequivocally WRONG. Third, Todd said Christians should live their lives in a way that looks radical or extreme to other people, and Watermark is the best at it, because most churches arent very radical! Im not saying that the Watermark Todd Wagner lives in a shack, by any means. These overly dramatic talks tend to make me feel like Im not spiritual enough or theyre covering up something. That is only for the married folk. Evangelical Church. what is lavish? Wagner is a bully. We didnt share our financial information until almost a year into our meeting. I was so disappointed reading all the comments, especially when considering the targeted audience for this site. But why? I received some emails from former Watermark Church members who wanted to tell their stories, but were hesitant to share too much online, for fear of repercussions, or as I refer to it, fair game. The Asbury Revival Is Over. Ill happily answer any questions, but for any Believers here I would strongly encourage you to first take this to the Lord in prayer, then His word, and then ask yourself if its healthy or wise or appropriate to make such claims about a person / place you know almost nothing about. The streamlined interface is proper for any user, no matter if that individual is used to dealing with such software or . -. Watermark is a community of faithful, creative, authentic Christ-followers who are united in one purpose: to be and make disciples of Jesus. Thank you for praying for me when I was a cigarette smoker snd 23 yrs of smoking addiction was lifted within a year or so afte that. 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Smarmy Thesaurus To become a member, there are certain things with which a person has to be in agreement, of course; but if a person becomes an elder, then what is expected is more clearly defined. Im only surprised it took 15 years. Todd Wagner, the embattled pastor of Watermark Church, a Dallas multisite megachurch with a pre-pandemic congregation of 20,000 people, has resigned his position as senior pastor and elder. Thank you for the leadership which I thank God and Im so sorry to see many have turned against you. Gateway Church. Thats for God to reveal or conceal. He added that there are just too many layers and that even Friedrich and Thompson land at a different place than (Leventhal and Wagner) regarding why weve arrived here., Both Wagner and Leventhal will remain at Watermark as elders emeritus, though the church said it is proactively pursuing men to add to the Elder team., According to the church website, Wagner and Leventhal will spend time with their families preparing for whatever the Lord has next.. Regardless we know Romans 8:28 maybe its a season of 2 Tim 3:16-17. Did he stay to minister to anyone in need? Watermark Church Lawsuit. I am not sure what is wrong with elder rule since it is biblical. Just the congregationhmmmmmm.. Aside from the fact that it was gifted to him (alarming at the very least) it shows poor stewardship and lack of humility on Wagners part. Our post-modern tendency is to use culture as a reference point, not the Bible. He springs off of that definition into how true followers of Jesus might be considered a Jesus-cult and how is that a bad thing? Im sorry Todd but Im praying for you and your family through this rough times. True humility is replaced with a very shallow and false one and so they humble brag about how big a crowd they can draw. Gotcha. Pray snd ask the Lord for that, sure many here are upset, but not many know what has taken place fully, you judgmental hypocrites. We know a number of people who attend Watermark due to our 10 year stay in dallas. Several weeks after Leventhals resignation, Wagner separately decided to step down as senior pastor and elder, the churchs statement said. Shame on you folks. yes, that is a valid question. Watermark might want the groups to be run a certain way, but that doesnt mean the group has to follow the rules. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. Hes not the pastor of Watermark. There is another Todd Wagner in Dallas he is an entrapenuer Its not Wagner the pastor. He counseled my former fiance and after several meetings with him my fiance broke up the engagement and I was left devastated. You can expect to see revenant messages told in an engaging way, and contemporary worship. As I read Scripture I recognized it didn't have to be my opinion vs. Tony's anymore. so much pretense. If by community you mean meeting with like-minded individuals to foster friendships & develop relationships then great. By our measure our savior Jesus was a total and complete failure. It is not as simple as walking away. If you (as some I bet arent producing fruits but first one to take a shot at his house, cars and family. Since November, it appears two other Watermark elders have left the original board of six menBrian Buchek and Beaut Fournet. What a bizarre statement. 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