The Navy switched to 190-grain Sierra Matchking HPBT's. Charged with Reloder 19 and 22 powders, the round performed well at 1,000 yards during the Navy's accuracy testing with the extreme spreads of the groups measuring 10.79 and 10.68 inches respectively. Mag. The 223 WSSM might even beat the Swift, although its nearly obsolete already. And stay in touch with newsletters of our best articles on techniques, guns, & gear. There is no shortage of amazing cartridges that offer dazzling performance at extended ranges. Lets look at the last point, first. Since the velocities tend to be mild (2850 fps is usual) it is also easy for shooters to manage the rifle recoil and spot their hits and misses, which is another key to success in practical rifle competition. Surprising how many people seem to have forgotten the .264 W mag. Nosler Trophy Grade Accubond 165-grain .308 Win. Speak for yourself only. In the old way of thinking that was good because I could achieve that consistently. As for its effectiveness on game, theres little doubt about its track record there. You are not wrong in your thoughts. Out here on Guam, I use a Browning BAR 7mm Magnum and has NEVER let me down 25-06nobody ever talks about it. Mag. When coupled with bullets that have a high ballistic coefficient, the results are impressive. Also look at Federal Premiums 180-grain Nosler AccuBond offering at 2,960 fps. When we think of benchrest, our minds instantly go to the 6 PPC, which has been a dominant cartridge in benchrest since the 1980s. I really love my Sturm Ruger M77, and couldn't believe a 34 gr bullet could achieve 4000+ FPS muzzle velocity! Adding this .30-caliber to the family was a no-brainer and, in fact, wildcatters had done so from nearly the moment the .338 Win. The new Federal Premium, 130-grain Terminal Ascent load with a muzzle velocity of 2825 fps shoots flat and the bullet is tough enough to handle up close impacts while still delivering good expansion at distance. Though the recoil in sporting-weight rifles is a bit much to allow you to see bullet impacts inside . But a reputation for burning out barrels ultimately doomed the cartridge. Are going to forget about 6.5 rem mag again? Prior this Ive been an old school kinda guy, shooting offhand and making sure I can hit what I aim at out to 300 yards. But in the meantime, the Dasher can rightfully claim the title as the best precision rifle cartridge on the market. Where the 6.5 Creedmoor excels is with its engineering. Well, with the right bullets (70 grains and up) and the right barrel twist (1:7 is best), the 5.56 is capable of shooting impressive distances, including the elusive 1,000-yard mark. However, it proved to be mostly a flash in the pan. Big, heavy rifles, lots of recoil. The 308 is a good round and in many cases there's no reason to replace it with a 6.5C unless you just want to.. On the other hand if you're starting fresh, there's not much reason to buy a 308 over a 6.5C. I don't hate the 308 at all, but it's been surpassed. Loaded with a 130-grain bullet, it will carry more than 1000 foot-pounds of energy out past 600 yards. I wasnt there to see it actually happen, but I dont doubt that it could have. There are far too many cartridges out there to narrow down, let alone the shooter's need factored in. Bottom line, I agree its in our best interest and the animals' best interest to get as close as we can. Heavier bullets in the Swift, however, were lauded in the mid-20th century as incredibly effective, quick killers by animal damage control shooters who were culling destructive, invasive feral burros and horses from Grand Canyon National Park. Stinnett said he would take the 6.5 Grendel brass made by Lapua and run it through a sizing die until the shoulder is pushed back far enough to chamber. It was introduced in 1962 and essentially knocked the .264 Winchester Magnum several notches down on the popularity list after hunters and shooters put the 7mm Mag to the test. Mag. That, combined with their relatively small size, means that compared to cartridges of similar powder capacity, the 6.5s will almost always do more, in terms of external and terminal ballistics, with less recoil. But the velocity with a lighter grain bullet and the case capacity makes for a tremendous long-range round. Used 85 grain Winchester preamumbalistic tip, No one ever mentions the .270 Win. With the 6.5 PRC, Hornady has created a better version of the old barrel-burner. 218 in. Swifts 150-grain Scirocco at 3,036 fps delivers outstanding terminal performance. Whether you're shooting a break-action, pump-action, or semiautomatic, Sign up for the Field & Stream newsletter and get the latest intelligence straight to your inbox. Copyright 2023 Pew Pew Media, Inc. All rights reserved. If youre after critters deer-size and up, the field is dominated by .30-caliber, 6.5mm, and 7mm cartridges, with the best long-range options remaining supersonic out to at least 1,400 yards. Need to drop an Elk at 500 yards? Match those and regardless of caliber, drops will be identical. Norma offers a 156-grain Oryx load that wont shoot as flat but provides great terminal performance. Hornady 123-grain SST at 2580 fps. . I don't know if you're from the east, but that argument is typically made from someone who lives in the east and hunts woods. You must adequately define these currently nebulous extra parameters that lead you to make these statements and pass them off as informative. I competed in many 1000 yard and 1500 meter competitions. In the world of practical precision rifle competition, exemplified by the NRL, PRS, RTC and other series, there is an arms race among light-recoiling 6mm cartridges. Just understand that you can put together the flattest shooting, most accurate AR type rifle possible, but at 1000+ yards, it probably won't compete with the best bolt actions. I may be wrong, and its ok for me to be wrong. When I first got my Weatherby, I went to zero my scope. I have a 2506 killed a deer at 840 yards one shot !! With todays ammunition, its even better. In the open plains, 300 yards in 15 mph winds is the starting place. Its like a shorter, beltless version of the .300 Winchester Magnum. The only thing about the lower would be magazines, .224 Valk uses 6.8 SPC mags. When coupled with bullets that have a high ballistic coefficient, the, It also has less wind drift and less bullet drop than the .223 Remington or the 6.5 Grendel. Type your email address and well send But if you can shoot this cartridge well, with its supersonic speed out beyond 1,650 yards, youre just about unstoppable at distance, and there are lots of factory loads and riflesaffordable and expensiveto choose from. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. In 2019, Nosler submitted the cartridge to the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Institute (SAAMI) for approval, and in 2020, you can expect to see Nosler and other ammunition manufacturers offering factory loaded ammunition and even rifles for it. Thats a lot of freedom. The best long-range cartridge in the world might be the .408 Chey-Tac. So, Winchester slightly modified the .270 WSM case so it was a bit shorter and then specified barrels with a faster twist. Type your new password and hit button below to confirm it. However, the .220 Swift and the .22-250 have been used to take deer out to distances a lot of folks got no business shooting, for a long, long time. It has ample killing power for all but the largest of game, it is easy to shoot well, the cartridge is inherently accurate. Hathcock, of course, went on to become the most storied Marine sniper in history in Viet Nam in the following years, though he didnt do it with a .300 Win. I grew up in Montana,hunting both in the mountains in the West and in high school out in the flats in the East part of the state. A rifle is suitable for flat shooting as long as the 500-yard impact range of the rifle falls below the 40''. Even then youre talking about a 1/4 MOA Shot. Steel placed at 500 yards are the bread-and-butter targets for PRS and NRL competition, so for these applications the pipsqueak 6mms are the best. In general, lightweight bullets driven very fast shoot flatter than heavier bullets with better aerodynamics (high B.C. So, which one comes out on top in a head-to-head matchup? Originally established in 2003 for the AR15 platform, it is now available in bolt-action rifles as well. Why It Made the Cut: The 6.5 PRC is the ultimate open-country hunting cartridge. Mag., and .300 Rem. 2) even if that were true .308 and 300 win mag use the same bulletsso 300 win mag would see the same increases and would stay just as far ahead. (7.62x51mm NATO) and the .50 BMG. Theres plenty of factory stuff that shoots lights out. What about 22-250? are tough to beat. 30 years later still shooting this caliber even though I do have the 6.5 CM too. That's mid-range, not even long-range, by many people's standards. .300 Winchester Magnum is a favorite of hunters worldwide for big game at long range. What about the guy who wants to go long with his AR-15? Up until that time, there had only really been two .277-caliber hunting cartridgesthe .270 Winchester and the .270 Weatherbyso the .270 WSM was almost immediately popular. During benchrest competition the targets have a paper backer that is moving placed behind them. However, in the 1000-yard game, many different calibers can win. There is too much to go wrong and game animals aren't targets or enemies. But where in the article does he even mention big game hunting. Need to recheck your math when you were talking about the .416 Barrett clinking at 5497m. The third time proved to be the charm. More than enough to be lethal, and it's a speed that is greater than some 9mm handguns actually fire as muzzle velocity. Still, if youre goal is to push heavy projectiles to the outer reaches, Noslers 28 may be the best 7mm option out there. The new bullet remained supersonic longer than the 190-grain Mod 0 load, and didnt give up much downrange performance to the .338, while generating less recoil and being much more cost effective for the military to adopt, which it did in 2010. One needs look no further than how the 6.5 Creedmoor and its kin have fared in precision rifle competitions, winning time and again when the shots are on small targets at 1,000 yards or more. Accuracy matters. Rate it below. 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If I am just putting holes in paper at 1000+ I'd go 6mm Creed, 6mm Dasher, or 6x47 Lapua. There are many of us who have rifles to attempt to master the art of long range steel shooting. Flattest at 1,000 yards Here's where things start to change. caliber cartridges in 2018 when Hornady introduced it after working with George Gardner of GA Precision on the concept. I just think this article was not specifically a hunting article. Need to drop an Elk at 500 yards? appeared, calling that cartridge the .30-338 Winchester. john cooperi have 7mm browning a bollt what is the best over the counter round you can buy. Besides recoil, the downside is the limited availability of factory ammunition and rifles. It also induced instability that rendered the round unstable and inaccurate at 800 yards and beyond. The .224 Valkyrie is the flattest shooting 0.224 caliber cartridge you can put in an AR-15. Its tough, simple, and in the words of Jacob Bynum who helped with the process, sloppy and stupid, which is meant as a compliment with respect to the rifles ability to digest any .308 ammo, no matter how poorly made, and shoot it well. Stinnett stacked those bullets so perfectly that the shot-to-shot variance was only detectable by precision calipers. (cartridge overall length) that fits inside an AR15 magazine well can be capable of 1,000+ yards. The quicker it gets to 200 yards the less time gravity has been working on it and the less it will drop. Newer cartridges do offer better ballistics, but at the expense of more recoil, shooter barrel life and less off-the-shelf cartridge selection. Shooters have no real idea how much drop a bullet has at long ranges like 1500 yards. inherent in 6.5mm (.264) caliber bullets. Richard Mann The process of forming the brass is laborious. Just my 2 cents plus change. It can make long cross-canyon shots when needed, yet you can bring it to action in a flash should a buck materialize in front of you in the dense timber. in earnest, awarding a contract to Federal Cartridge Co., in 1987 to produce .300 Win. Hornady Precision Hunter 212-grain ELD-X at 2,860 fps. Beyond 600 or 800 yards, however, the efficiency of the high B.C. What were your extra parameters here? For long rang range hunting my list would go .257 Weatherby Magnum, the flattest shooting hunting cartridge period, Next the 6.5-.300 Weatherby Magnum, it outperforms any other 6.5 period, The .30-378 Weatherby holds 120 grains of water and outperforms any other .30 caliber cartridge and has the longest point blank range of any .30, including the Lazzeronis. The 6.5C shoots bullets that are more aerodynamic (higher BC) and at faster speeds.. What are some of your favorite long-range cartridges? Introduced by Remington in 1962 along with their Model 700 bolt-action rifle, Remingtons Seven-Mag was the beginning of the end of Winchesters .264. One afternoon, after shooting a nice antelope at about 500 yards, I was walking back to the truck with the guide, and we were discussing quarter-bores, with the guide extolling his 25-06, the best of the lot. But when you consider the specific task at hand, the field of options narrows. Mag., notably the .300 PRC and .300 Norma Mag., but for now, the .300 Win. Which as a cartridge is all good for hunting farm deer or friendly competition matches. With a recent elevated popularity, due in no small part to the rise of the six-fives, the Grendel is now getting the attention it deserves. Nosler Trophy Grade Long Range, 175-grain AccuBond Long Range at 3,125 fps. Fortunately for them, older stalwarts like the .308 Win. It is also a winner as a competition round, especially as a lighter ELR (extreme long range) round on targets out to 2,100 yards. Most often you just have to buy a Weatherby rifle to get one, and while that used to be an expensive proposition, its not anymore. I would like to see how other people have loaded that round for various purposes, The 22-250 has never been considered a long range cartridges because the cartridges have very light bullets and rifles offered have always had slow twist rates. and .300 Win. Needless to say youre not going to find one of these rifles, or the ammo, on your gun store shelf anytime soon. Still, 2 inches high was all it needed. Weve never had it so good when it comes to picking among the best long-range calibers to shoot. I wish we had as much long range shooting locations as they do out west. Flattest-Shooting Cartridges Ever Backfire 641K subscribers Subscribe 4.2K 173K views 1 year ago The flattest shooting rifle cartridges are listed in this video to help shooters determine. I always favored the .264 Win Mag. For off-the-shelf accuracy, the 6.5 Creedmoor is tough to top, no matter how much the Creeds detractors might howl. But the 7mm Remington Magnum will remain supersonic out to 1,400 yards or a bit more, making a good choice for cross-canyon hunting. It just murders your shoulder, ears, and pocketbook at the same time drop in feet Shooting at 700 (In Theory) And that factor alone will make a person a more competent field marksman and a better, more ethical hunter. So make your pick wisely, and then get to shooting, because a cartridge can only be as accurate as the one firing it. These cartridges all drop less than 255 at 1,000 yards. quickly established itself as a go-to hunting round for Western big game and international hunting. No real adjustment necessary. Yup, the .257 beats everybody in speed and long-range accuracy, at least out to 500-600 yards (except the .22 Swift, and it drops off after a couple of hundred yards) . In 2022, he was named as the brands Shooting Editor. The 6.5 PRC joined an ever-expanding field of 6.5mm (.264 in.) "Of course, he said quietly, it can't reach out and flatten antelope like your Weatherby, but" Can't tell you how many times I've gone back to the ballistic tables to make sure I'm not going crazy. There are not many places you can shoot 500 yards. But with this dead-flat launch angle we get an accurate picture of pure drop. But that can also vary from projectile to projectile. Not only are new loads being offered, new ARs and even bolt action rifles for the Grendel are being introduced. are shooting remarkably flat. Worth a look anyway. It will be passed down to my son and so forth. An ever-expanding field of options narrows grain bullet and the case capacity makes a. 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