So while he would have possibly had more of a mess to clean up with ShanAnn than with the girls, it was contained, unlike the mess of that horrid Patrick Frazee who killed Kelsey Berreth by braining her with a baseball bat. If this is true, what a sad sad world we live in for the love of money is the root of all evil. Bellas covers were pulled off and she was just lying in bed. However, the autopsy does not detail the size or spacing of these marks sufficiently to form an educated opinion. Ethanol makes sense, especially because it could be disguised in the chemicals themselves. Watts isnt a trained jujitsu. One of the predatory marketing techniques used by MLMs (which overwhelmingly target MOMs) is that they can be at home *with* their children, making extra money with little effort. Hey, I appreciate ppls input but to act all high and mighty and be disrespectful of others by trying to make them look and feel like idiotsI dont care how much you know or how smart you are. Shananns Blood Alcoholic Content was 0.128. She said on one video her kitchen has to be very clean, I know people that have spotless kitchens but rest of house is a mess. Hed let her snuggle him that morning. Heartbreaking evidence photos and video of stained shirt, underwear and bra Shanann Watts was wearing when her husband murdered her, wrapped her in a sheet and put her in shallow grave The. I consider it strange to have them there (in preschool) FT at their age, given the business she was inseems like it could have been done around an at home schedule for the girls, IMO.. Very CW. The autopsy noted that recovered items included oil soaked pink pajama type top with images of hearts and butterflies and a pair of oil soaked underwear.. Rigor mortis lasts 8-12 hours. Police reportsPhotos of the Watts family in the police reports. I have no insight? I think he snapped, pulled her off of Cece punched her in the face to knock her out and then strangled her with one hand. For example, someone with OCD could have the thought that if they dont touch a doorknob a certain number of times an exact way, they will get a disease. In the case of Lacey Peterson, fecal matter *was* found in the house. Judging any of the characters in this story as either all good or all bad doesnt help us figure out what really happened. Remember that Chris was sleeping in the basement at this time so they werent sharing a bed. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/12/lkl.01.html, There are more details about the Watts precarious and declining financial situation in the body of this article as well: https://shakedowntitle.com/tag/scott-peterson/. Bella was wearing pink pajama-type top with images of hearts and butterflies. Poor thing. He in cold-heart and with much caluculation waited for her to return Shanann did not stand a chance! Read my above post. Maybe he lost patience with her. The police reports contain a conversation Chris had with his father. (942948) Interview with NK about CW's failing marriagehe badmouthed SW a lot . So wheres the problem here? Debbie do you have a link to that 411 Documentary please? I know, Im a survivor of strangulation. Watts buried Shannan's body in a shallow grave and dumped his daughters' bodies into an oil tank at the oil and gas exploration site where he worked in Frederick, Colorado, US. Shanann had extensive injuries to her neck. Cheryl: If Chris did that, he definitely has to die. I also believe he would have thought out a better place to bury them. Then he agreed to go to Aspen with her for the weekend following her death. Chris said: I freaked out and I did the same thing to f****** her. Once youre already unconscious from sleep & then start losing air from throttling it would make you very disoriented & hard to come to fully conscious state & fight back before losing total consciousness again. Also, we usually can find some urine, fecal material, body fluid on the bed sheet and the quilt. Watts was no genius, by saying he saw her kill CeCe and giving such a short timeframe for their killings, he left it wide open that they could have been saved had he called 911 or administered CPR instead of murdering his pregnant wife. If she was that tired, yes, Shannan could have left her suitcase and purse downstairs in her own home. https://letsqueerthingsup.com/2018/05/12/i-didnt-know-i-had-ocd-heres-why-the-stereotypes-are-so-harmful/, She wasnt OCD, and even if she was, what does it matter? The mark on his neck might have been from Bella; Shanann had really long nails. It takes 4 5 hours for a stomach to empty after eating. Even with Bella, no screaming brain said , this is your Bella!! Also ethanol in the oil would not seep into the spleen in a body in 3 days to produce a high level like that, besides most ethanol is extracted through many processes prior to any petroleum company dumping the waste oil. And honestly Im sure he had a lot of time on his hands to do stuff. Im wondering if he had bipolar. He was adamant that no no nothing like that happened but the female agent is sympathetic & is using a technic which is to put the blame on another person & make him feel less at fault. He just didnt want another baby. Her death was the only one categorized as violent by the coroner No sign of that either. He said the blood alcohol is normal after you die. Just kind of odd. So Shananns OCD personality stopped that night? I have read through this entire post and this is the one question that I dont think is getting enough attention. The agents stressed the words ran & walked because they were inconsistent & made no sense. @Carol: OCD appears at least 5 times in the Discovery Documents. Id recite a few examples from case law but I dont think youre really here to discuss anything. They manipulate, connive and plot. Theres another case that does involve a murder by a husband on a bed, through manual strangulation, and they found small drops of his and her blood on the sheets, as well as traces of her feces elsewhere in the room. This would also suggest that the Stranglehold was done with a right arm, as this would correlate to the right-sided internal bruising, and the left-sided external bruising. In that sense when you learn her OCD was a significant factor, you ask how significant. He knew right where to thump her neckher surgical site. And if the girls mentioned a nikki shanann may just assume her friend. I wrote a novel here but I can dispute any theory you have with common sense, and irrefutable evidence! would that be a normal time for Chris to leave for work? https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/news/rohde-court-told-of-faeces-in-spier-hotel-room-15629834. And anyone on this thread acting as if the mother plays any part(or the mistress) for that matter..well you are just as psychotic. Chris said that she often went straight to bed without showering after a flight, saying that shed shower and wash bedding to rid it of the airport in the morning. But I want to know so badly the time of death. After reading your response Im wondering if this was filled with ethanol or some similar agent. Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. -nickvdl. Thats inaccurate. How do you or any of us know what her last words to Chris were? Ive not discussed it here though, its in the books. I go on youtube and so many parents are killing their kids. This behavior is opposed to the dignity and respect of another person. The cadaver dogs noted no presence of bodies in the basement however. Three days after the murders, on August 16, police discovered Shanann's body in a shallow grave and the girls stuffed inside nearby oil tanks on the . Please, if he was worried about the kids, then why did he kill them as well. He eventually disappeared for long time, gave me house. Chris Watts attacked her from behind, his left hand around her throat and his right hand covering her mouth and nose. He woke up at 5 a.m. to get ready for work, and they began talking about separating. Blood Alcohol. ( when they were arguing she couldnt sleep & had been crying all night ) What happened when she got home nobody knows, but I do believe she felt comfortable enough to go online and shop. There was a largely decomposed fetus expelled from the uterus. My son has many medical issues as well, doesnt make me a hypochondriac ffs she isnt here to defend herself maybe back off a bit. Cassie Rosenberg Page 626 Explains why Shanann didnt fight back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYC7bHIzuqE. The body is that of a well-developed, well-nourished Caucasian female whose appearance is generally consistent with the The two girls, Bella and Celestes bodies also had same, was noted in autopsy reports is from decomp process. Thats fine, but since thats the case, its better that you head elsewhere where youll feel more comfortable. I believe those stains were on the sheets and thats why they were pulled off. It just seems to me that Bella would actually have had to swallow the oil to get it into her stomach. I am not sure that he planned the murders. Shan'ann, Bella and Celeste Watts 25 Page Autopsy Report | TRUE CRIME ROCKET SCIENCE TRUE CRIME ROCKET SCIENCE True Crime Analysis, Breakthroughs, Insights & Discussions Hosted by Bestselling Author Nick van der Leek CRIME NEWS WATTS KNOX JonBenet MCCANN WM3 PENDING TOOLBOX TCRS YOUTUBE ARCHIVE Maybe some ppl just can only take so much. Shanann was discovered in a "foetal position" in a shallow grave, while her two young daughters were found in "crude oil sludge". Before I became a police officer- I was an EMT and I worked for 8 months for a company that transports dead bodies from where they die to funeral homes or the medical examiner. He runs into Ceces room & walks up to Shannan. Was the examiner not able to determine the order in which Shanann and the girls were killed? Chris Watts is the subject of a new Netflix series called American Murder: The Family Next Door. The two girls were found in oil drums. I am not saying he touched the purse. The reports concluded that all three victims died of asphyxiation Shanann was strangled while the two girls were smothered, according to the reports. @nickvdl Hi. I dont know about you, but I definitely dont sleep in mine. To do her business? https://www.childrenshospital.org/conditions-and-treatments/conditions/e/esophageal-strictures, a medical history significant for peanut allergies. So weird. Do not make it more complex than it need be please. I believe it was to make her feel more at ease, able to sleep instead of up all night crying. Here is the parts in Shanann's autopsy report that says the stuff about how her hair was sloughing, that she had skin slippage & bloating/decomposing had started. Shan'ann Watts tells her husband: "I don't want a video of you" while recording her children Chris Watts Case: What would Sherlock Holmes Do? In his story he goes downstairs & hears commotion goes into the bedroom & sees Bella on her bed with covers off & then Shannan on top of CeCe. Hopefully, one day we will know the whole truth of what was really going on in the lives of this tragic family; will one of the villains turn out to be MLM? http://www.timescall.com/ci_32281483/autopsy-reports-show-shanann-watts-daughters-were-asphyxiated, But Celeste didnt have oil her stomach. I doubt shed just leave her phone and stuff downstairs like that. In the interrogation CW was blaming Shannan for killing the girls, and in the next breath trying to protect NK. Pee and Poo No evidence of cake or undigested dinner. It is my opinion that one could not have this mix in the stomach unless it was swallowed and if the stomping on the head didnt bring Bella out of unconsciousness before being immersed in the oil, then she was very possibly (and hopefully) unaware of what was happening. But I am of course hoping that she was totally unaware in her unconsciousness. As CrimeOnline previously reported, Chris Watts tried to pin the murders of 3-year-old Celeste and 4-year-old Bella on his wife when he first confessed to murdering Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant at the time. In the 2000 page report that was released they pose the theory that she may have been asleep while attacked. That is what is difficult; without a trial we have no way of knowing all the forensic evidence and what tests the state started to perform or did perform. I know that OCD was mentioned on several instances in the Discovery by those who knew her, but do they have the qualifications to make that diagnosis? If he straddled her chest, and pins her arms down with his knees, she would have been incapacitated. Are you a parent? @huey Please read todays post where it reads Police saw a bed sheet. They asked him ways to murder somebody & he said shoot someone, hit them with a club, stab them, run them over, throw them off a cliff, a bunch of other weird ways but steering wide of strangling. Even if he raged and killed Shannon because she killed her girls, I would much rather be guilty for killing Shannon because she killed my babies then be a monster guilty of killing my daughters so I would have called for help so the cops could do their job and get the evidence to back up my story. And about the **bra thing** (on or off, sleep or not), well this is a big deal to me, because I think it can be considered an indicator as to time of death, or at least, it can confirm she had the chance to get out of the clothes she came home in before she was attacked and killed. Found this research paper a stunning indictment of Multilevel Marketing (MLM) industry. Or perhaps he left when the sun was coming up because thats when he usually left for work. If CW is the type of father that would never hurt his girls, then his behavior after pulling Shannan off CeCe would be to call 911, try CPR ( he had classes at work) When non murderous parents are confronted with the loss or potential loss of their children they get desperate. How dare you blame the victim? As far as the OCD I dont believe she had it. And Ive also learned a LOT about her between videos, and every page of the 1,960 pages of documents released by authorities under Colorado statute. Some people never saw. There is a text I think to chris. Makes sense since Shanann has zero marks indicating a struggle, I thought from the jump that she wasnt even awake when he killed her. Yes, there is a way to test whether bodies could be placed through the Thief Hatch with [or possibly without] breaking bones but youre not going to like it, Welcome to the Post Truth Phase of the Chris Watts Case, Exclusive Interview with the Lindstrom Couple, Proof The Third Baby Was All Chris Watts Idea, The Final Three Weeks of the Phone Data Review #2YearsAgoTodayCW. Gastrointestinal Tract: of OCD triggers and symptoms. Quick as law enforcement were to respond to the crime, by the time they recovered the remains of the two little girls, they had been chemical altered beyond recognition. The DA mentioned that. Your thoughts? Chris Watts' plan was to make his family disappear. Something that might help with perspective is this financial article in which a wife writes in for advice, because her husband has started sending hundreds of thousands of dollars to a cult: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-woman-made-a-life-changing-decision-after-her-husband-gave-600000-to-a-cult-2017-07-10 . Colorado is very rural. He says he never saw what happened to Bella because he was downstairs. while he killed them one after another. Celeste was found face down in that oil tank. I actually do not believe that there was any sedation to the girls or his wife. Get a life and quit trashing innocent victims. I am of the opinion that: Bella was unconscious but still breathing when she was forced brutally into the oil tank, and her injuries were sustained during this push. How does pretending to be asleep and cowardice align with murder? She also could not stand Shannan. Have they watched something? No traces of fecal material found, but in the Rohde case there were fecal traces. How was she about her childrens allergies? That is simply a common misconception/stereotype that is very harmful and untrue. Therefore your theory is not valid. If someone begins to strangle you while youre in a deep sleep and laying down you may never regain enough consciousness to fight back. Prior to taking the test he was asked a bunch of questions one of them was name some ways you could make somebody disappear. He said he didnt hurt Shannan just as much, Ive read all the transcripts. The t-shirt she was found in looks very similar to the one she is seen wearing in the neighbours cctv footage of her arrival back home. If you cant respect others in their opinions and input, youre definitely not intelligent. He had to be gripping her face pretty damn hard to leave fingerprint bruises along the left side of her face. And of course she loved her children, and she was a great mom. 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